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Rainbow
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 06:48 |
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Well, it’s Thursday in America.
aquila121
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 07:02 |
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We can’t even go two weeks after Pittsburg without another one of these? Fuck.
Reset the counter, and yet nothing will happen in the legislature.
SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
> Rainbow
11/08/2018 at 07:04 |
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What's the forecast for Friday, I wonder?
71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 07:10 |
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5.5 miles away from my parents house. I get to sit on the other side of the country and study for a test while I wait to find out if I lost any friends.
I lost friends of friends in the Isla Vista shooting.
I lost friends of friends in the Vegas shooting.
I had family friends affected by the Pittsburgh
shooting.
My half sister is a schoolteacher in CT a few towns over from Newtown.
I don’t even care about gun control arguments anymore, I just want it to stop. Sorry for the rant.
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pip bip - choose Corrour
> 71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors
11/08/2018 at 07:13 |
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no need to apologise for the rant, you have a very valid reason for doing so
functionoverfashion
> 71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors
11/08/2018 at 07:18 |
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This, more than anything, makes me want to move to another country.
No apologies necessary, this is simply unfathomable and yet, it will continue to happen if not more often with our current social climate.
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functionoverfashion
> aquila121
11/08/2018 at 07:19 |
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Maybe, eventually, enough people will have been affected directly by one of these and something will change.
Svend
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 07:24 |
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At this point I’m more shocked when I hear of 13 dead in an active war zone.
Yet nothing will be done in America , many will be shocked then government, etc... will offer thoughts and prayers, gun people will point out it wasn’t them as they are responsible gun owners and that good gun owners are needed because there are bad people out there (not appreciating that these bad people, up until the shooting were openly considered good people then had a really bad day or their intolerance of a certain group won out and they went out shooting people), the others will say it’s their right to bare arms as it’s in the constitution, some will say guns are ingrained into history and society, etc, etc, etc....
McMike
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 07:26 |
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Can I send thoughts and prayers, or is that just limited to politicians?
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pip bip - choose Corrour
> McMike
11/08/2018 at 07:28 |
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might as well, it’ll do more good than the politicians
TheTurbochargedSquirrel
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 07:28 |
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Senseless comment from our president about how a good guy with a gun would have prevented this in 3... 2...1...
How many more times does this have to happen before they do anything to even try to prevent this from happening again?
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71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 07:34 |
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Thanks. This one hits close to home (literally). I have a lot 0f friends back in TO that went to CLU and Moorpark College and right now it’s just a waiting game. There’s no reason my mom would have been there but she’s not answering her phone (probably because it’s 3AM there ) and it just sucks.
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71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors
> TheTurbochargedSquirrel
11/08/2018 at 07:36 |
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Far too long. Check this article out, it’s pretty sobering.
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Svend
> functionoverfashion
11/08/2018 at 07:52 |
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The thing is even then I’d say between a third and a half people will say ‘we need more guns’.
Spanfeller is a twat
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 07:58 |
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And 8 in Mèxico City after a semi lost their brakes
Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 07:58 |
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I'm so sick of this. Maybe some elected official would decide to do something if it happened at a school.... wait.
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pip bip - choose Corrour
> Spanfeller is a twat
11/08/2018 at 07:59 |
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FML
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Spanfeller is a twat
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 08:03 |
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nine dead, forty injured
Some were evacuated by helicopter....
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pip bip - choose Corrour
> Spanfeller is a twat
11/08/2018 at 08:13 |
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fuck.
hopefully the death toll doesn’t rise.
ttyymmnn
> Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
11/08/2018 at 08:25 |
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It would have to happen at a school where their kids go, and one of their kids would have to be killed.
Hamtractor
> TheTurbochargedSquirrel
11/08/2018 at 08:43 |
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I’m a hard-core 2nd Amendment guy, like “Cold Dead Hands” guy, and the good guy with a gun was a 29-year veteran of the police force and he was dead seconds after he went in. I totally support the idea that anyone who chooses to train and be proficient and accepts the responsibility that comes with carrying should do so. Maybe a good guy with a gun would have stopped the dude, but NOBODY with a lick of sense or responsibility carries a gun in a bar anyway.
I totally do not have a solution to this issue, because it’s so multi-layered. There are over 120 million law abiding gun owners with around 300 million guns in America, estimates ran ge from 10-20 million “assault rifles” in circulation. 299,999,990 of these guns were not used in a shooting spree. The government is never going to just make this go away. And all you have to do is look at Mexico or any South American country and see how easy it is to manufacture guns in a garage... Anybody who really wants a gun will get one. Or switch to bombs, or vehicles, etc. So what do we do?
punkgoose17
> SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
11/08/2018 at 08:51 |
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40% chance of hail of bullets
Stapleface
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 09:08 |
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At this point, I wonder just what it will take for common sense gun control in this country. What will do it? School shootings? Nope. Church shootings? Nope. Does someone have to go on a shooting rampage at the NRA and Co ngress at the same time?
DipodomysDeserti
> Hamtractor
11/08/2018 at 09:24 |
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Mexicans don’t have to manufacture their own guns. They can just buy them at a gunshow in Arizona.
Pakistan, on the other hand, has an interesting gunsmithing industry.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass_copy
Milky
> Hamtractor
11/08/2018 at 09:25 |
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Cool hobby.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Stapleface
11/08/2018 at 09:27 |
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The NRA and Congress ban guns at their functions and have tight security, so a shooting probably won’t ever happen at one of them.
whoarder is tellurium
> Stapleface
11/08/2018 at 09:33 |
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California already has some of the strongest gun laws in the nation and keeps adding more.
Laws and regulations cant solve everything. Laws only work on the law abiding.
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Hamtractor
> DipodomysDeserti
11/08/2018 at 09:48 |
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C’mon Skyguy! Ever been to a gunshow? You need to pass a federal background check, which requires a valid American ID. I’m not saying one couldn’t go to a gunshow and find a straw pu rchaser, but one could do that anywhere in the country. Not matter what we do legislatively to make guns harder to get or own, criminals don’t much care for laws either way. Neither do crazy people. I could literally go anywhere in the United States and obtain a gun outside of the system in a day.
Mexico doesn’t need to get blackmarket guns from the US, although they do for some reason, since the Mexican Government is so corrupted by the cartels. They have military grade hardware, they don’t need a cheap Century Arms AK with canted sights and rattletrap magazines.
I’d encourage anybody who thinks more gun laws will somehow suddenly stop gun crime to google “homemade guns of Brazil” to see how easy it is, even in the face of total gun control, for anybody with some basic tools to manufacture a functional firearm. Hell, there’s blueprints and videos online right now to make Sten MkII submachine guns, how to make an AK out of a shovel, and you already know about the Pakistani market. Look up Khyber Pass AK for a mind blowing experience. If an illiterate cave dweller in Northern Afghanistan can make an AK-47 out of an easily smuggled parts kit... Imagine what an American with access to a Harbor Freight store could do...
Like I said, it’s a complicated issue and I think both sides have some real relfection to do because there’s a lot of moving parts here. I think real mental health reform would be far more effective than knee-jerk legistalion to creat more gun laws when we don’t hardly enforce and truly punish violators of the laws we have on the books now...
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Hamtractor
> Hamtractor
11/08/2018 at 09:49 |
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Sky Guy, you seem to be a man I would en joy discussions with over a fine bourbon and a cigar in the desert...
Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 09:58 |
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Everything is fine here, move along now. Play the red white and blue song.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Hamtractor
11/08/2018 at 09:59 |
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It doesn’t sound like you too much experience buying or selling guns at gunshows in Arizona.
I have both sold, and bought guns as a non FFL holder at gun shows, and know for a fact you don’t have to pass any sort of check to buy guns private party in Arizona.
I also know for a fact you don’t have to pass any federal background check to buy a gun from an FFL in Arizona. They call DPS to see if you have a record or any warrants. You fill out a 4473 which usually stays in the store.
I have family in New York and New Jersey, and know for a fact you cannot do this anywhere in the country. Good luck being a straw buyer in my cousin’s town in New Jersey.
Whole lotta Arizona based guns show up in Mexico. Of course sometimes MCSO just lets their guns walk away...
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punkgoose17
> Stapleface
11/08/2018 at 10:10 |
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I was thinking the same thing after hearing about this shooting.
GoodIdeaAtTheTime
> Rainbow
11/08/2018 at 10:16 |
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This is the absolute scariest, worrisome, and truest statement. The fact that this is now ACCEPTED as daily life in this day and age is fucking disgusting.
That being said, I am the biggest supporter of private gun ownership. Mem ber at several ranges and organizations , and a collection of firearms to make anyone cringe . And I know we have a fucking problem. One that should have been dealt with 25 years ago. But how? Doing anything about gun issues is a political suicide for any politician. Maybe impose term limits? Then GET SHIT DONE. Seems to me politicians find ways stay in office only to back stab the other guy . Always looking to past, never to the future ( I can elaborate more on that if you want. ) I don’t know, but to me if a politician’s time i s limited, maybe they will take necessary risks to make a meaningful and worthwhile change.
I apologize for the language. Not usually me. Can I run for a higher office? I don’t know how to change things for the better, but I will at least TRY.
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punkgoose17
> Hamtractor
11/08/2018 at 10:17 |
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I think we need to do something like require clearances like we do for teachers and child care takers,
if you want to buy a semi-auto that uses a rifle or intermediate cartridge.
imadick
> SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
11/08/2018 at 10:23 |
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Sunny with a chance of DEATH
sm70- why not Duesenberg?
> TheTurbochargedSquirrel
11/08/2018 at 10:37 |
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A good guy with a gun was among those killed.
Jayhawk Jake
> Hamtractor
11/08/2018 at 10:59 |
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I’m so tired of the bullshit “anyone who wants it will get it” argument.
I don’t believe that’s inherently true. I hypothesize that much of the time these crimes can largely be attributed to convenience. If it took more work to get a weapon maybe some of these pieces of shit would just give up.
The problem is we won’t know which case is true unless we do something. Literally fucking ANYTHING.
But that’s the problem, isn’t it? All the law abiding, good natured gun owners refuse to even explore the possibility that their (mostly) unbridled access to weapons could be a problem. They won’t even try to change things because fuck it, it won’t work.
I don’t think anyone is truly asking for a one stop, single line item solution. It’s going to take attacking it from all fronts. But we won’t do a single god-damned thing again, and we’ll all have to wake up again to the story of another 10+ people murdered, where literally the only common thread is someone in the United States used a gun to shoot a bunch of people dead.
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Jayhawk Jake
> DipodomysDeserti
11/08/2018 at 11:02 |
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I will never be able to understand the irony of the NRA not allowing guns at their conventions.
They essentially argue that anyone should be able to take a gun anywhere, but then get scared at their own events that someone might have a gun.
KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 11:11 |
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Sigh
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1830308976
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71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors
> 71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors
11/08/2018 at 11:25 |
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I got in contact with my mom and she’s fine. She left her phone unplugged last night lol.
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Hamtractor
> Jayhawk Jake
11/08/2018 at 15:27 |
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So, as expected, the gunman turns out to be a guy who was obviously mentally ill, with numerous run-ins with the law and several visitis with mental health professionals, yet he was still out and about and free to be a murderer. Why is nobody talking about the fact that most, if not all, mass shooters are well known to the police and mental health communities, yet are still free because we have a system that will neither help nor lock up the crazies? Everybody wants to ban guns, control guns, blame the guns, etc, all of which infringe on the rights of millions of law-abiding folks, and will solve nothing, but nobody is talking about how since the sixties (when the hippies basically banned asylums where we could house the whackos away from the society that they pose a threat to) there is basically no real mental health system that can address actual psychos? Wanna hear a crazy story?
My best friend from high school turns out to be a schizophrenic. Years of run-ins and episodes, death threats, self-harm, the worst you can imagine when you think schizophrenic. One day, after all these years, he walks into his dad’s workplace and shoots his dad dead. Because he thought his dad was a government agent poisoning him to cover up what he kn ew about UFOs. A terrible day for all of us who grew up with his family. But they had countless chances to commit Brian to an institution, but we don’t do that anymore, we’re civilized now. To add insult to injury, Brian was found guilty but insane, sent to a state mental hospital for a 15 year sentence. H e’s out now, a free man, and only the medicine he takes (nobody to make him take it, so he could stop any time) keeps him from sliding off the edge again. I loved Brian like a brother, but he has demonstrated the capability and willingness to kill in a psychotic state he cannot control. That dude should have been committed to an institution two years before he killed hi s pops, and DEFINITELY should have been locked away forever after the crime. But the mental health system is so dysfunctional and gutted and underfunded that people just like Brian live right next door to you or I. Nearly all of the mass shooters have clear track records of mental illness or other warning flags that are intentionally ignored or seen but not addressed because their rights will be violated, there isn’t anywhere to put them, or some other poppycock.
All I’m saying is that while we’re on the subject of making fundamental changes to the Constitutional rights of gun owners, could we at least talk about making fundamental changes to the mental health system too? I’ll meet you in the middle, I promise, but while we institute stricter gun laws, could we also institute stricter criteria for how we handle crazy people?
fintail
> functionoverfashion
11/08/2018 at 17:24 |
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Gun control and healthcare are the two greatest failures of the American experiment.
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fintail
> Jayhawk Jake
11/08/2018 at 17:24 |
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They know their base.
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functionoverfashion
> fintail
11/08/2018 at 19:23 |
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*so far.
But seriously, yeah I think you’re right on about that. Education isn’t the best, but it’s not nearly as bad as it could be.
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fintail
> functionoverfashion
11/08/2018 at 19:38 |
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At least the universities are generally respectable.
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functionoverfashion
> fintail
11/08/2018 at 19:44 |
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I do agree with that, but I also feel like you’re at a huge disadvantage if your family can’t help pay for it. Maybe I’m biased because my state is last or second-to-last when it comes to public funding of universities.
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fintail
> functionoverfashion
11/08/2018 at 20:07 |
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Just go into massive debt, it’s the American way. It took me more than a decade to pay off my loans, and I didn’t have as much as many others. That’s the biggest flaw in he system.
I also believe the inflated price of schooling is hindering socio-economic mobility - those most likely able to pay for school come from affluent backgrounds to begin with.
Victorinoo
> pip bip - choose Corrour
11/08/2018 at 20:44 |
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A handful of babies get run over in reverse every year and the government forces backup cameras on new cars. Hundreds die yearly because of guns and they do nothing.
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functionoverfashion
> fintail
11/08/2018 at 21:16 |
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totally agree on the hindrance to social mobility... wait this doesn’t seem right. The more we converse the more we agree? KIDDING, I promise. Cheers, mate
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pip bip - choose Corrour
> Victorinoo
11/08/2018 at 21:57 |
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Sadly this is true
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DipodomysDeserti
> Jayhawk Jake
11/08/2018 at 22:48 |
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It’s along the same lines as certain Christians saying they’re against abortion being legal because of “the sanctity of life” while also supporting the US when it goes to war and the implementation of the death penalty.
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Jayhawk Jake
> Hamtractor
11/09/2018 at 14:19 |
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Yes but no one in office has actually taken steps to do anything about mental health. Except perhaps the push by some towards universal healthcare or at least affordable healthcare, another one of those things the party that oft protects gun owners is against.
So per the non-moderate right we should a) not give people access to affordable healthcare and b) not restrict gun ownership. At what point are we doing anything then?
Again, as I said before, the only
true
common denominator in all this is the weapon. Yes, the guy was mentally ill, but of course we’ll say that now because he
murdered 12 people
. Regardless of the extent to which he had been diagnosed or determined to be mentally ill in the first place, he had access to guns. He was able to get a gun and go into a club and kill 12 people.
Fuck, dude. I cannot stress how tired I am of having this conversation over, and over, and over again. What the fuck is it about guns that makes people so god damn defensive of them?! I don’t think ANYONE is actually arguing that NO ONE should be able to get a gun. If you want to go hunting fuck it, have fun. But is it really that much to ask that it’s maybe difficult enough to get a gun that someone like this crazy asshole can’t?
That’s where these arguments always end. With people like you saying “UR TAKIN MAH RIGHTS AWAY”, suggesting solutions that you won’t actually act on (because you aren’t going to vote for someone that diverts taxpayer money towards mental healthcare), refusing to admit that maybe, JUST MAYBE, allowing any fucking insane or sane person to walk into a god damn Walmart and buy a gun (YES I KNOW ITS MORE DIFFICULT BUT CRIMINALS WILL FIND A WAY RIGHT?!) is a fucking problem.
Man, fuck the whole thing. The Constitution was designed to be changed. The fuckin’ rule that lets you have a fuckin’ gun is an ammendment to the Constitution. It was created fucking 200 years ago when a gun was freaking muzzle loaded. Is it so much to ask that we even just *think* about coming up with a better way to handle things?
smitdoshi
> SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
11/09/2018 at 19:22 |
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Fire... thats what we got for Friday.. all this needs to just stop and we all need a timeout. The whole dam country